Just to follow up on the njisseni/panduro confusion thread, I'd like to back up what Mike said about looking at mouth shape and not necessarily colour. A few weeks ago, I came across an importer's tank of mixed njisseni/panduro direct from Peru. I wanted both species, so I had to study the tank for quite some time. Any time I've put the two together, the panduro have tried to murder the njisseni. I've never seen it go the other way, but I really don't want to experiment by accident. They don't get along in my tanks. All possible gradations of colour were there - these species are very similar in coloration. However, the mouths of the fish gave it away. It's the easiest identification feature. My big jawed njisseni are now swimming in a cloud of fry and the panduro are coloured up and trying to methodically slaughter their dither fish, so I guess the I.D. method worked. -Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!