Thanks to all the ppl who replied especially Ken who sent some fab photos.. I definately have two males, in fact the only fish in the shop's tank that is likely to be female was the harassed looking one with half a tail fin .. :( Now I just have to hunt down some females here in Sydney! Steph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!