Hi, Eureka. I have learned, seeing as my alenquer agas gave me 20 normally raised fry on their 16th spawning. Tell the list you can't get fry, and the fry will come, to spite you. Once you've tried everything, something will have worked without your noticing... or, you can add M. altispinosa to the tank. The same general thing recently happened to me with a killie, A. maculatum, when I put out a desperate appeal for advice on the killie list. Not only do these appeals stimulate discussion, but they seem to stimulate fish breeding. It's time for a fish column in the National Enquirer! -Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!