Jason, I was hoping someone else might answer this question. I know I can't answer this question to my satisfaction, but here goes. There is very little visible difference between the two. When David Soares first got these fish he ID'd them as A. juruensis because at the time there was only one cacatuoides-complex species that had a caudal peduncle spot separating the lateral band from the tail. I would have done the same and actually did when he asked me to verify his ID. Römer concurred this ID and everyone accepted it until collection data came in. It was reported to come from around Pucallpa and more recently from the Rio Nanay, both on the left (west) bank of the Rio Ucayali, the major tributary of the Peruvian Amazon. The type locality of A. juruensis is the upper Rio Juruá, a major southern tributary of the Brazilian Amazon (Rio Solomões) in western Brazil. Now the question was, "Is Soares' & Römer's fish the same species as A. juruensis but now with a much wider distribution, or a completely different species?" Preserved specimens were sent to Dr. Kullander who identified them as not being A. juruensis, but a species showing close affinities to it, thus the name A. sp. aff. juruensis. The question of how to tell live specimens apart is a good one. We know that A. sp. aff. juruensis has a yellowish streak above the lateral band, but I don't know how this differs from the true A. juruensis. I've never seen anything written on the live coloration of the true A. juruensis. I don't even know if it's ever been in the hobby. Heiko Bleher collected in the upper & middle Rio Juruá in 1997, but I never heard of him collecting this species (other apistos, yes, but not this species). If anyone has additional information or comments on this topic, I would like to hear about it. Mike Wise Mayalauren@aol.com wrote: > Could someone explain the differences between A. juruensis and A. sp aff > juruensis (orange breast)? I'm presuming that it there are some significant > ones as it is not cf! > Thanks > Jason > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!