Erick, I'm sorry but I disagree with you on this. For the sake of one Labeo sp. Andrey has to find another tank for the Rams, alter his water chemistry for Central American species, some which you mention require a very large tank. In my opinion once you enter the world of Central American species that's when you see real aggression (apart from Malawis). Helen >I would recommend moving your rams to a tank of their own. If you desire a >Cichlid in this tank I recommend some of the mid sized central American >species. Such as firemouths, convicts, black belts, robertsonii, salvini, or >any of the geophagus group. These cichlids are all robust enough to hold >their own without being outright murderers on their own against a Labeo sp. >Erick Jones ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!