About one year ago, I've got some wild rams collected by a German friend in Venezuela near the town of Barradas. At first, the fishes were small and didn't show much color or something special. But when they became adults, they have developed brilliant colors, and for my opinion, much different from the Asian bred rams we normally see in the trade. Basically, the Barradas population is much slender bodied than the Asian ones (that, from the photos I have seen, are quite "robust"), and with much more blue than the "normal" rams. Some individuals also have upper and lower caudal fin lobes with red color (like Microgeophagus altispinosa). Does anybody know something about rams bred in other countries? Are they deep-bodied like the Asian stock too? Do they look (according to above description) with Barradas fish? Cheers, Marco. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!