I recently picked up some really outstanding gold rams from Florida and sexing them works the same way with the German Blues that I breed. The females have a red blush to the abdomen. It works as I have two pairs and have hatched spawns from both of them. Joel WasDyke ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!