Thanks John, I think i know what kind of container, i've seen them in the store, looks like a big garbage can on wheels. This might work! I assume, thta the u shape has some flexible tubing on it? I've got 4 tanks all at different heights. kym -----Original Message----- From: John Wubbolt <BigJohnW@webtv.net> To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:18 AM Subject: Re: reducing water hardness for breeding discus Hello Kym A friend of mine uses a system where he has 55 gallon garbage buckets on like a small scooter ( the thing fits the bucket but has 4 wheels.) Inside the bucket of water he has a one of those little giant water pumps. Coming out of the pump is a hose that he has hooked up a piece of pvc piping that he has set up in a U shape. This way it hangs onto the tank and the open end either drains water out of the tank or fills the tank back up. It depends on which way he runs the water pump. This way there is no lifting or carrying of water. the wheels on the bottom of the bucket do all the work. That is if you have no steps and a flat floor. The best part is he isn't pregnant or out of shape, he just hates doing unnecessary work if he doesn't have to. Saves alot of time if you have alot of tanks. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!