Hi, After several years of keeping Central American cichlids and African rift lake cichlids, I started a tank with kribs a few months ago. Now I have two tanks free for a new setup. I have been reading on Apisto's and have decided to get a tank started. The two tanks are a 20 gallon (90x30x30cm; 35x12x12") and a 15 gallon (60x30x40cm; 23x12x16"). I allready decorated the 20 gallon with three flowerpots (about a foot between the pots), some wood, a little java fern. I've seen some discussion on leaf litter. This probably would be a good idea? If so, I can get to oak leaves which was mentioned in an article as a good source. But do the leaves have to be fallen autumn-leaves (or whatever that is called) or are fresh leaves, boiled and watered, ok also? Water conditions are the same as in the krib tank: ph 6.4, Gh and Kh both 4, Temp 260C (790F). I think these conditions are good for any of the four species mentioned below? The species that are available from time to time in the lfs's I visit are: A. nijsenni A. cacautoides A. borellii A. agassizii >From what I understand, agassizii is a harem breeder, the rest are more successfull breeders in couples. Is that correct? I was thinking of getting a harem of three female and one male agassizii for the 20. Is this a good idea? Is agassizii actually a good (apisto)beginner fish? Or are there easier ones (to care for and breed) among the four mentioned? Till this point I always used danio's as dithers/targets. I've read about some tetras and killies and came up with these species: - Hyphessobrycon herbertaxelrodi - Aphyosemion bitaeniatum - Nannostomus marginatus Are they any good (ie which is the best, including danios)? Please use the scientific names as I'm dazzled by english species names ;) Please note that the dithers might be for the 20 wich is a very low tank, only 12" Thanx for any help and sorry for my lengthy first post to the list :p cy! Klaus ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!