Hi Chareles.I sent a discription to Mike and to his knowlege they might possibly be a eunotus fish.Orangeschanz?Pic on p.49 of Linke and Staeck book.On p.33 of the Aqualog-S03506-4-is another possible pic.Mine are really very colorful,lots of red.They have about 30 or so fry right now.Vern ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!