hello Rob If you're really into checking out apistos in a pet shop I know of 2 places that always have them. First off everytime I go the That Fish Place in lancaster Pennsylvania has Apistos in their tanks. They are also normally quite expensive even for more commonly found ones like Borelli or Cacatuoides. The second place is a bit of a drive, but well worth it. This is The Fish Place ( they had the name first hence "The") in North Tonowanda outside of Buffalo New York. They regularly stock about 7 to 10 species of Apistos and quite a few West Africans. Prices there are also awesome. I've found good 2" Apisto Steindachneri brightly colored up at $4 a fish. Cacatuoides, Nijsseni, Panduro, Juruensis, Gibbiceps have all been there for under $10 a fish. Can't go wrong when you can walk into a pet shop and come out with breeding sized Apistos for under $30 a trio. Plus everything else there is incrediable. I've been to shops in Chicago, NYC, Cleveland, Milwaukee, all across New England and never have I been in a better shop for selection and price to go along with quality. No, I don't work there either. It's a 6 hour drive for me and I do it everyother month because It's worth the trip. Hope this helps. I have heard that there are some awesome shops in Baltimore though. I need to check them out when I visit my nephew and his wife this summer. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!