O.K. Now that we are on water quality topics, I wonder if someone can tell me what is really going on here. I discovered, after having experienced a massive hair algae bloom, that the buffer I was adding to my water contained phosphate. So, over the past two weeks I have been adding phosphate- and nitrate-free acid/base buffer to my de-ionized water. (Yes, I tested it. This situation is creating anal retentiveness!) I was hoping that with 30% weekly water changes the phosphate would gradually decrease, and hence the algae growth, and I would be able to maintain the pH at the usual 6.8. But nooooooo. I leave the change water in the tub overnight. It keeps a stable 6.6. Then I add it to the tank which is at 6.8. I did not concern myself unduly, or so I believed. Well, holy smokes the pH went up to 8.5!!!!! Since that heart attack, I have been gradually adding acid buffer to bring it down and stabilize it. But it has been a struggle. So, what gives? Is the phosphate binding up the acid and permitting the alkaline buffer to have full reign or what? Sleepless in Toronto ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!