In a message dated 2/18/99 4:27:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, bloomquist@willmar.com writes: << I have a wild Ram male and a Gold Female. I am trying to bring some size and stamina back into the domestic stock here. I am experiencing some aggression to the female from the male. I have just set them up in a ten, they have also previously spawned in my 125 Gal. do I need some dither fish? Or is the planted 10 to small? I have done Rams in tens before, however this is my first experience with a wild ram. >> I have a couple of rams (wild). They were in a 55 gallon and very happy, so I decided to try to breed them. I placed them into a 15 gallon with some cardinals. The results were terrible. After a couple of days, one ram began to bully the other (I wasn't sure if it was mating or aggression) and in a week, it was dead. I moved the remaining one back into a larger tank. Then I gave it a playmate. They are both happy (no kids). I think (honestly) that the rams woulf have been perfectly fine in the 15 if I placed them in there from the beginning. I definitely think that moving down to a smaller size was detrimental. Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!