Just my 2 centavos. If she is barricaded in, she's either already done it, or she's ready to. Since the male is being less than fully attentive, I'd say the eggs are already there. And I wouldn't mess with the pH just yet. Watch and see. Then move them to a ten if she emerges without fry. And an ASE that prefers animal-type feed to algae may not be a real SAE. There's a couple of closely related species that can be mis-identified. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!