BOUNCE - From: Thomas.Seidl@blackbox.at (Thomas Seidl)

["Francis Brian O'Carroll" <ocarroll@acm.org>]

> From: Thomas.Seidl@blackbox.at (Thomas Seidl)
> To: apisto@listbox.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:11:20 +0100
> Subject: please help idetify disease
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> Hi
> I have been lurking on this list for a while and learned a lot. I have
> a big problem and I hope
> someone of the list couls help me.
> I grow out about 25 A. Sp. Puerto Narino/Rotpunkt/Schwarzsaum fry in a
> 55 gal tank. Since 6 days some of the fish developed strange ulcers on
> their bodys which I could not
> identify using my fishlibrary. Maybe some of you people have
> experienced something similar and could help me save my poor babys:-)
> 
> The fish are F1, about 7 month old and did already spawn in the growout
> tank. No big agression/stress going on since there are lots of caves
> and plants in this tank. about a third of the fish developed this ulcus
>  on their bodys. It looks pinkish with red lines and about 4mm in
> diameter- sometimes smaller.
> 
> pictures (not as good as I wished they were) are located
> http://members.teleweb.at/wurme/1.jpg
> http://members.teleweb.at/wurme/2.jpg
> 
> Looks like something is breaking up from inside the fish. like a wound
> stuck on the fish. (like a poorly made special effect)
> Behaviour is normal. The fish do eat and go on with their breeding -
> activity like normall. Sometimes however they "yawn".  Could not see
> anything in the gills though. Only the apistogramma are infected. No
> signs on the tankmates- tetras and ancistrus.
> Can it be that this is no disease but a chronical poisoning? I have no
> idea what could possibly cause this. There are some ceramic caves  in
> the tank however which should not leach anything out at all.
> 
> Tank parameters: 55 g; temp 27•c; ph: 6.5 dGH:7; dKH:3;no nitrit-
> hardly measureable nitrat; dont know phosphorlevels. Change a 1/3 of
> the water every 2 weeks. there is nearly no Cl in Viennese tapwater.
> However I ususally treat it with a declorinator(not the movie starring
> arnold schwarzenegger:-), peat extract and an "oak extract" to bring
> down the ph. For the the plant I use a fertilizer. they are all
> commercial products which should not do any harm.
> 
> till now I didn't add any medication but tried to bring waterconditions
> to an optimal level. It doesn't seam however that the fish immunesystem
> could  deal with the problem allone .
> Please if anyone got a glue what to do to save my fish let me know.
> sorry for the baaad spelling and the long post
> greetings thomas from Vienna
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