still not getting my hopes up, but the female is trying to convince me... shes out now, at least some of the time - shes got a small opening in the gravel barricade that she comes out of to chase fish. her defense of the are has become quite vigorous - when shes not hidden entirely, shes attacking something. shes even gone so far as to try to come at my face through the glass! her colouration has become brighter yellow, and much of the time her lateral spot is either the only marking present, or prominently featured. the fat yellow belly she had before blocking herself in the saucer has been gone the whole time. linke & staeck says roughly 8 days to free-swimming... i seem to remember reading somewhere that hatch times for apisto eggs were around 48 hours?, a time that would indicate ive got more than eggs at this point, since im guessing she originally barricaded herself in sometime early thursday (both her and the male had been going in and out of the saucer-cave near-constantly when i left the house at 8am), and was firmly barricaded in at 530ish when i got home. but, pH is still 6.4, GH 6, KH 4. linke & staeck mentions also that breeding was possible at pH 5.7, but with a much lower success rate, and thats still a quite a bit more acid than what ive got. ive still got bbs all set to go, just in the freak instance something actually happens with this, but in the meantime, shes doing her best to throw me off... -joel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!