Hi all, I've seen a way to differenciate P. taeniatus with P. pulcher and P. subocellatus which is independent of color. It's probably a very well known fact, but it may interest somebody around here.. taeniatus (and humilis too i think) has bigger mouth and bigger lips than subocellatus and pulcher. For those i own (moliwe), taeniatus are definitely "earth" eaters or more precisely "earth chewers", they grab sand, chew it and let it go out back through their gills. pulcher and subocellatus are very close but they do not have, as far as i know, a so big mouth with big lips. The BIG problem, I think, is to determinate the REAL color form of these fishes, and I'm skeptical about all these new color form names which are erupting on a regular basis. It makes us dream about new fishes, but dream is not very scientific, nor is "wild" fish trading. Colin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!