John, what were your water conditions? I have altispinosas and i can't get them to spawn. I think they are mature size, i've had them for 6 mos and they are about 2.5 inches at least. How do you sex the male/female? kym -----Original Message----- From: John Wubbolt <BigJohnW@webtv.net> To: apisto@admin.listbox.com <apisto@admin.listbox.com> Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 4:27 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello All I guess I've broken the mold with my fish. The first time I had my pair of Altispinosa spawn for me it was in a bare bottom tank with 2 large clay saucers in the tank. Knowing the fish weren't a cave spawner but open spawner the laid their eggs right inside the clay saucer and fanned them there until the fry hatched and left them there until they were free swimming. They were great parents. The second spawn out of this pair was done in a tank with about 1 inch layer of small gravel and a clay saucer. When the pair spawned inside the saucer the fanned the eggs until they hatched and then moved the fry out into a pit they dug in the gravel. I have since traded the pair to friend but have a nice tank full of about 50 + fry that are alittle over 1 inch long now. I'm going to raise them all up to a sexable size before moving them off. Local pet shops won't give me anything of value unless they are at least 2.5 inches long and have nice color to them. I really enjoyed watching the pair take care of their brood. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!