Is it really not possible for you to buy a 20gallon long tank? That way you can breed them in the 20 and put him in the 10 (if necessary). When they want to spawn again put them both in the ten, or her after she is no longer actively looking after the fry anymore. If you are serious about breeding these fish, you should buy yourself a good book about them There is "South American Dwarf Cichlids" by Hans J. Mayland and Dieter Bork, or "Complete Book of Dwarf Cichlids" by Hans-Joachim Richter. The second book is easier to read. It's not all full of genetics and determining species differentiation. It also tells you about the better ways to keep these fish. You see there is a difference between a "breeding tank" and a "grow out tank". If you succeed in getting your fish to spawn, then you will have quite a lot of fry. Eventually they need more space or they just won't grow. (O.K. people on the list, these are my experiences and I know that you guys do things all in your own ways as well.) Since you are on the Apisto list, you should be able to get a lot of information from the other people on this list. They are very knowledgeable and have had many years, and even decades, of experience raising these types fish. I had 80 fry in a 30 gallon tank. After 4 months only a handful were actually growing past the two month size. So, I had to split them up in separate tanks. This can be done in different ways of course, but I put them in batches of 20 into a 65. They grew to saleable size in 2 months. So you see, raising Dwarf Cichlids can be quite labor intensive. That is why they are generally far more expensive than other more common fish. They also take longer to reach adulthood. Keeping and raising Apistogramma species is addictive and fun. (When are addictions no fun?) Sometimes I'd like to know how many people on this list just 'happened upon' these sweet little fish, and ended up from owning just one aquarium to 10,24, 60.... I'm sure the stories would be quite entertaining. They probably all start out with "I saw this fish, and knew that I just MUST have it...so..." As an aside: I have some Apisto borrellii that were born in October. They live in a 120 gallon tank, and they have already reached the size of their mother. They are not yet sexually mature, so they are not breeding yet, but they grew a lot faster than borelliis I was raising in a 30 gallon tank. So, the more room they have, the faster they grow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!