Kelly, Seems to me the only dither fish you have is that one neon. If you get another ten, maybe everyone will perk up? Also, I'd get the pleco out if you're hoping for the Crenicara to spawn succesfully. I'd also add some more plants...in my experience, the more places fish have to hide the less inclined they are to use them. Also you did'nt mention what the pH was. It should be on the low side. Though I've never kept them I understand that Biotodoma can be a little rough with others.(Someone correct me if I'm wrong!!). Just some ideas, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!