We see this with Discus quite ofton. I suspect a bacretia bloom of some kind. Do a heavy water change for a fw days and see what happens. That is the first thing you should always do anyways. Increase the temp to 80 and try to lower the ph a tad. Let us know what happens. Brad Kim & Brad Bloomquist bloomquist@willmar.com Kandiyohi Boxers' Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/5194 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!