Oh my goodness!! I am almost breathless with surprise. My "muppets" have spawned!!!!!!! I only bought them two weeks ago, or maybe even less, and I had no idea whatsoever about anything re: courtship .......or even if they'd spawn. Then just now, I was sitting in front of their tank looking at the lotus leaves which have grown to about the size of my hand!! and below one of the biggest leaves is a flattened eggshaped piece of grey-black granite! and what's on the stone but about 50 eggs!!!! WOW!!!!! Do I ever feel blessed!!! The eggs are a translucent whitish not yellow or orange or anything like that. They are not dead eggs I know what those look like. Who's the mom, the pop? I'm not sure yet. One of them was 'mouthing' the eggs to keep them clean. This is so typical. I just went out and bought a 54 gallon tank that I was planning to set up during the week-end so that these sweet fish will have their own spacious home. But, what do they do? Spawn in the 30 gallon tank instead. This never fails!!! Well, I guess the 54 will have plenty of time to mature before I transfer anyone into it. I'm so excited. Gotta go back and see what else these fish have been up to. For all I know the other pair spawned on the rock at the back of the tank. One of them was back there when I found the eggs. Oh yes, and the ?female/male's dorsal fin has gone all red since the spawning. G. Kadar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!