My altaspinosa are spawning as I type. They are on their second spawn. The first seemed to reach the wriggler stage and then nothing.... This is 30 gallon very very heavily planted tank with among other things lots of lotus leaves top and bottom plus duckweed, amazon swords, crypts, banana plant, and hygros. However, there are another 2 altaspinosa and 6 neon tetras in the tank too. Mike, what should I do? Can I leave as is, or should I do the midnight swoop and take the neons out while they're still "sleeping"? G. Kadar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!