I collected A. guttata two years ago in Venezuela and most of the stock available today comes from that collection. These are hardey fish and breed fairly prolifically in the correct water parameters. The pH should be 4.5 -5.0 and with very soft water. When we collected the fish the water temp. was 82 degrees with a pH of4.4 and a hardness of 10 ppm. The pictures in the Aqualog do not do the fish justice. They can be much more colorful than depicted. In the same collection area, we collected some colorful fish and some that were much duller in color. These two populations have tended to breed true. Also as is so common, succeeding generations are not as striking as the wild fish. Incidently, we will be returning to Venezuela next month to try to collect these fish again. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!