I am with you Vern! They are very nice fish but I prefer the nice wild form of Viejita II. They have red spots on the operculem and a dotted red-line running along the lateral line behind the eye. They are quite impressive and very alert and combative for little Apisto's. I have noticed my wild varieties to be more dominant then the German Imports in question. I have had a line going that I cross wild stock into every generation or so. Any outstanding males I find among my Imports I am quick to add to my breeding program. The A.viejita II are a favorite of mine and I keep a trio in a 30 gallon "show tank" they give me about 300-400 fry a month, I even let Mom and Dad raise the fry with those numbers :). How are those Rams? --- Vern Wensley <vernwen@home.com> wrote: > The price on these fish is $49.99ea!!For me to buy a > pair its > $100+shipping!How do they justify a price like > that?I have seen viejita 11 > for about $25-30 a pair and they were colorful > healthy fish.At those prices > they better be super somthing. > Vern > -----Original Message----- > From: David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com> > To: apisto@admin.listbox.com > <apisto@admin.listbox.com> > Date: May 14, 1999 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: A.viejita > > > >They are a german strain that has been line-bred > for > >color for several generations. The Germans are > >producing several very colorful strains of Apisto's > in > >actuality they are really just improving and fixing > >some really nice color varieties. some examples are > >A.borelli 'red-cheek', A.cacatoudies'super red' > etc... > >As always though Vern make sure the source is > >reputable and stands behind their fish. If you feel > >good about those things and the person is > knowledgable > >then odds are they are A German strain. Good Luck > to > >you Vern. > > > >--- Vern Wensley <vernwen@home.com> wrote: > >> Does anyone know what a viejita 11-super red > is?Is > >> it a very colorful > >> viejita or just another marketing ploy?I have > seen > >> them listed on several > >> lists lately. > >> Vern > >> > >> > >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This is the apistogramma mailing list, > >> apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > >> For instructions on how to subscribe or > unsubscribe > >> or get help, > >> email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > >> Search http://altavista.digital.com for > >> "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > >> > > > >=== > >David Sanchez > >Casselberry, FL > >http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax > >barbax2@yahoo.com > >_____________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This is the apistogramma mailing list, > apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe > or get help, > >email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > >Search http://altavista.digital.com for > "Apistogramma Mailing List > Archives"! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, > apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe > or get help, > email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for > "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > === David Sanchez Casselberry, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax2@yahoo.com _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!