Hi all, I have a pair of Blue German Rams that I bought about a month ago. The great thing is that they've spawned twice so far (about 100+ eggs each time) and look like that another spawn is going to occur sometime in the next week, which is on track for a spawning every 15 days or so. The problem is that I cannot seem to find any fry lasting past the third day after spawning. On the last occasion, I saw the eggs (darkened from development) on the morning of the second day after spawning but by that afternoon, all I saw was a bunch of empty shells where the eggs were laid on the rock. The pH is 6.8-7.0, temp is 76F, and a 50% water change is done every weekend. They are the only occupants in a no-gravel-bed 5 gallon tank with a Tetra sponge filter (rated for 20 gallons) and "powered" by a Whisper 300 air pump (which I do not feel is overkill for filtration in the tank, although some out there may disagree), two small gravel-filled clay pots (one with dwarf Saggitaria and the other with A. crispus), one flat rock for spawning, and several huge clumps of Java Moss. The male is 1.5 inches and the female is about 1.25 inches. And the tank is lit for five hours with a desk lamp located far enough away so that the water doesn't overheat. Feeding is three times daily with Hikari Cichlid Staple in the morning before I go to work, and twice in the evening with either bbs, frozen glassworms, or frozen adult brine shrimp with occasional feeds of freeze-dried tubifex. So here goes my questions... I've been told that it is common for the young pair to eat their eggs, at least the first two spawns. So does that mean my chances improve for the third spawn not being eaten by the parents? 8-) And since I've been seeing empty egg shells on the second day and my literature readings indicate that hatching of German rams takes 2-3 days, does that mean the pair are removing the fry from the egg shells before they are hatched? I've never heard of that happening before. And if they do remove them from the eggs, what do they do with fry that can't swim and have to absorb a yolk sac? Move them to a pit dug in the gravel, I'd assume. Yet, I can't seem to find them in the tank but I know that I'm scrutinizing every part of the tank (even the gravel pits they dig in the pots with the plants). Short of pulling the fry out, is there any way that I can improve my chances of not seeing another spawn go down? I'd really like to see the spawn being taken care of by the parents but this, in the end may prove unlikely. Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!