Phil The best place to get the other books is through either Lee Finley or Mike Schadle. You can also order them through Pet Warehouse or That Fish Place. Lee and Mike would be the cheapest prices for any of what you're looking for and they have everything pretty much. I've had great sucess with both of them. The Axelrod Atlas has almost no info on Dwarf Cichlids and half of the species available today aren't even in the thing. Same goes for the Lexicon of Cichlids. Great picture books to put on the coffee table or hold a door open. John Wubbolt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!