Well Folks......I guess this is why we are all in the hobby. I just had a spawn and I am a bit beside myself. You would think after 34 some years raising fish this wouldn't happen.....but I guess we are all still a bit of a kid at heart! My A. elizabethae spawned some time tonight. I went in to feed just now and I couldn't find one of the females of my two pair. Of course I'm thinking the worse....that she jumped....when all of a sudden she popped her head out of the top of a potted plant and her ventrals were as black as coal. I investigated the pot and there was the clutch of eggs (about 25-30)! The bad news.....I had just gotten the fish 5-6 days ago and they were in a pH of about 6.5 when I got them. I have been slowly lowering the pH to the eventual .........oh...... 4.8 or so but I haven't gotten there yet. The pH is about 5.9-6.0, microsiemens about 50, now.......don't know if the eggs will be viable at that pH........but, it seems as though I have a compatible pair anyway!! I have slides of the eggs and fish.......will have them ready to show anyone who wants to look at Detroit next week!! See you guys at the meeting Friday night.....I am really looking forward to meeting and putting faces with all of the names! Thanks for listening to an excited possible Daddy.........;-) Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S. St Pete, Fl mfjacobs@geocities.com mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!