I am looking at my copy of Romers book and he is calling what I thought was A.spec.rio mamore A.maciliensis.Are they the same fish?In Mayland,Bork book I was under the impression that they were wrong in there identification of A.maciliensis. The pictures in Romers book look just like my rio mamore,except the caudal fin is more orange in my fish.Did somthing happen when I wasnt paying attention? I havent got my English translation yet,so its slow going reading the text. zwergs regel Vern ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!