Their all one and the same fish John! However their are a few color varieties and the various names simply refer to them. The red-point from Germany does have some really outstanding markings and yes even a few little red spots along the lateral line, go figure :) Hope this helps you. BTW let me know how you make out with the T.candidi. A friend of mine is breeding some I sent him in the mid 6's pH. I am very curious to see what results you get as well. === David Sanchez Casselberry, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax2@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!