The "Rotpunkt" I have is A. sp. "redpoint" as listed in Linke & Staeck's dwarf book. However, the variety I have show much more yellow overtones on the body / fins than the pictures in that book, including the male and the females out of breeding colors. Maybe they're actually sp. Puerto Narino. I've learned that this fish is easy to breed and not too picky about water parameters, but gets big like A. steindachneri. Carl Berry (a lurker) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!