For clarity and just a little better chance at nailing it down, I'll describe a little further. The "red" is more of a translucent violet red. It starts caudally in the peduncle, and dorsally, a similar distance down. The dorsal rays are separated at the top, with number 3 being the longest, and slowly getting shorter over the first ten or so after that. The dorsal and anal fins both have extensions that reach to the rear of the pretty-much-rounded caudal. The "zipper" lateral line is sometimes broken into six regions, depending I think on mood, and a second set of darker spots extend along the base of the dorsal, which are dark gray near the front, and become that violet-red color at the back. The over-all body caste is light grey, rather than the brownish color of many fish. So far the female seems pretty non-descript. This fish will never be popular with the "Oh, look at this pretty swordtail" set, but it has a certain subdued regality to it. Any further guesses, folks? At this point, I think I am ready to stick with hongsloi "red strokes" or maybe A sp aff hongsloi "red strokes" unless someone thinks otherwise. > >From your limited description I can't say which species you have. My bet > would be > A. hongsloi (Rotstrich). > > Mike (for nomenclatural purity über alles) Wise (LOL) > > IDMiamiBob@aol.com wrote: > > > I ended up with a pair at the auction that were labeled A. sp. "red > strokes". > > They were in the show as well under that name. Does "red strokes" > translate > > out in German to "rotpunkt", or is this a different fish? It has the > > "zipper" on the lateral line and a subdued red in the unpaired fins. It > is > > redder in my tank than it was in Detroit. > > > > Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!