I've had a fair degree of succes at picking pairs (maile and female) of fish from a tank. A person who used to work in a LFS once told me how to sex Neolamprologus Leleupi. He said you kind of look thme in the face and see which is more masculine-looking. Actually, for fish that are difficult to sex, like discus, angels, Lake Tanganyikan Cichlids, and Curviceps, the males often have bigger heads. If you look at the fish head-on, mature males may have broader foreheads. Looking at mature fish from the side, the height of the head just in front of the gill covers may be "taller" in the male fish. Another factor to look at is the body proportions--males seem to have a greater length to height ratio than females. These methods are somewhat subjective and work much better with older fish that are brought up under the same conditions so you know that feeding, age, and environmental differences did not contribute to the differences in the fish's appearance. If you take a look at pictures of breeding pairs of discus and other difficult to sex fish, you will probably see what I'm talking about. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!