Andrew If you've got Rio Mamore fry that's great. It's really a sharp fish that I keep meaning to add to my collection. Always been into apistos with big high fin type dorsals like in the Cacatuoide type fish. Good luck with them. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!