I guess I think I need to add my 2 cents worth here. I had one pair of Cacatuoide that the male would ALWAYS eat the eggs. I think this was his favorite food. If I yanked them, Shields up Mr Sulu, I got almost complete hatches, so the eggs were fine and the water must have been fine, otherwise the eggs wouldn't have hatched. So it's MY opinion that, some fish just like to eat the eggs, not just rookie females. Mr Scott we need warp speed now. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!