Bob Dixon wrote: >You must have joined the list since the last time this was brought up. I >still say that any pair of angels given the proper water parameters and tank >set-up will be excellent parents. ANY pair. Period. Long time ago, in a fish tank far far away, (to add film pun to film pun)(and when I was about 14). I did have a pair of angels which were exceptional parents, lived in a 36" tank with a swarm of guppies. The only time they did any devouring was when my darling little sister thought she would teach her gerbil to swim. So Bob I will concede that personally angels have not been a problem for me, but I do know of someone else who has tried persistently to naturally rear angels and has failed. Instinct is, I admit, is a bit of a woolly term. But I used it as it would cover the convoluted area of what is actually genetically inherited behaviourism, and not. Only a few of the apistogramma species have been commercially cultivated, and at that not for the generations that angels, rams, etc. have. Therefore if the effect of parental response is non-genetic, then you would possibly see it diminish over a few generations of egg pulling, if it is genetic then a larger number of generations would need to pass until it became manifest across a significant percentage of the population. This too would be affected with what the parenting gene was tied to. Though genes may be responsible to one characteristic, there is more of a chance that these may be linked to other characteristics, which may increase or decrease the subjects viability for survival. But I too would be interested in hearing about anybody's experience of parental response in breading fish who have been "pulled" themselves. Though there are probably several PhDs available in this topics, in several disciplines. Thank goodness on the film pun line nobody, luckily, has scene the latest Austin Powers movie...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!