I beleive Ed has summed things up very nicely. In my opinion, the environmental factor ( ie: water quality, hiding places security) is the limiting factor for success. The fact is many of us do not experience the "egg eating" stigma. I beleive finding research such as this will go along way to advancing our understanding of what is realy going on. I can say this I have female T.candidi, Dicrosus filamentosus and other notoriously so called "bad parents" raise their young all the time and some of you out there that have been to my fish room have seen swarms of fry being led by their momma. In my experience I simply don't see egg eating as a problem. I have come to an understanding of the dynamics of their environment and the crucial factors to keep in mind. There are many of us out there as well. Many of which are quite passionate about our opinion. In our search for knowledge and the truth we need to keep this in mind. Why do some people have success over and over again? I beleive that though we do not have any scientific facts to back it up, logic dictates that we come to a conclusion based on available evidence. Personaly I chuckle because we often want to blame the fish for our lack of success and not point the finger at ourselves. NO FLAMES JUST MY SUPPORT OF ED'S POINT. can't we all just get along :) === David Sanchez Casselberry, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax2@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!