Michael > I've had more trouble with parents canibalizing the fry > than eating eggs. Any thoughts? > Fry-eating probably has the same causal relationship. Something convinces mom or dad or both that the fry are not going to make it. It could be a dietary trigger, a water quality trigger, or some insecurity that convinces the parents someone else is going to eat them. In any event, the result is the same. No babies. I've had the best luck in ten-gallon tanks when pulling the male. I've decided the probable reason for this is because his "perimeter guard" function can't be carried out far enough away from the female. She perceives him as a threat, and boom! No more fry. In a twenty long, no problem with the same pair of fish. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!