Mike, oddly enough I've found the same to be true with my cacatoides. I've got one that I call my ol' southern gent. He's a grizzly ol' coot with googly eyes and a huge mouth, but he's got his ways. Never makes any bigtime showing off, no tail-flapping, no aggression, just gently follows the ladies around a bit, and gets the message. If they are not ready to spawn, he backs off, if they are, well.....let the spawning begin. Nice to see a fish who understands that "no means no". G. Kadar >Peter, > >If he is strong and healthy, I would wait 6 months. Really, my best breeding males >were 3½" (9 cm) long, a bit bowed in the back, and not very active. > >Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!