I recommend a visit to Ocean Aquarium in SF. It is on a little alley called Cedar, one block from Geary between Polk and Van Ness Avenues. It has been mentioned on the mailing list before. It truly is a wonder, and quite an antidote to the megastores, malling (mauling) of America. The proprietor, Jusitn Hau, is friendly and very knowledgable, and he often has interesting, difficult to find Apsitos. The phone number is (415) 771-3206. Re: the local clubs, I had been wondering if there were such in SF (or just north where I live). I would very much appreciate info. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!