I'm not an expert but here's my opinion. I would slowly raise the temperature over a day to about 86F. Increase the surface agitation a lot. Next, I like to use a product by Chem Marin for ick. There's no copper and it's mostly made up of hot peppers. It is very acidic so you have to watch your PH carefully in soft water. The product is called F.W.P. Their product called Stop Parasite will also work (It's basically the same thing except that it's also safe for reef tanks.) This is what I'd start out doing. I don't like combining several treatments at once. During this time I would make sure that they get plenty of water changes with prepared water. Make sure they have plenty of hiding places and do anything else that you think would help lower stress. Sounds like you have some great Rams, I hope everything works out. I also love blue Rams. I have a young spawning pair in their own love nest and several others in an orgy tank to see if any other pairs form. The orgy tank has 2 blue rams and 3 wild ones. One wild and one blue female, the rest males. The blues seem to have paired up but haven't attempted to spawn. I'm actually looking to sell or trade these to free up this 29 gallon tank for a pair of Discus. Sorry, but they're my true love in this hobby. Ryan Chicago, IL -----Original Message----- From: S. Bunch [mailto:sherryb%hpcisp.com@internet.kraft.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 9:16 PM To: apisto%admin.listbox.com@internet.kraft.com Subject: Re: Wardley Complete Remedy? (kind of long) :( I have an update already. The danios had been in the tank about 2 months and been doing great, so I thought I would go ahead and put them in the 30gal. tank tonight as they wouldn't be bothered so much by a slightly higher PH like my Rams would. I netted one out and found Ich! Although I hadn't seen any sign of ich on the dead Ram this morning, I guess I have to assume the rest of the Rams and Danios have it also. Once again, should the Wardley be effective against it as it claims? Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: S. Bunch <sherryb@hpcisp.com> To: <apisto@admin.listbox.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 8:54 PM Subject: Wardley Complete Remedy? (kind of long) : I just announced a few days ago that I had finally gotten the Blue Rams I : had been waiting for so long on. Now I hope someone can help me on a problem : with them. : : One of the six started showing signs of heavy breathing with swollen gills : soon after acclimation to my tank, while the others seemed fine. I couldn't : tell whether it had been already acting that way in the bag or not. I picked : them up from the LFS while they were still in their shipping bag. The sick : one lasted until this morning, almost exactly a week since I'd gotten them. : Now a few more are beginning to breathe heavily also. : : I don't believe it's my water, as Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates are all "0", : PH is 6.2, Temp. ~83, GH 6. They are currently in a 10gal. w/ 4 small zebra : danios. The danios are showing no signs of distress. My 30gal will be ready : for them to move into by morning. I'm currently working on bringing the PH : down and the temp. up in the 30gal. : : I asked my LFS about the possibility of gill flukes a few days before the : first one died, and he said he hadn't seen or heard of gill flukes in fish : in this area for years. Unfortunately, I can't think of anything else that : might be causing this as they show no other signs and it seems to be : contagious. : : Now, to the subject. All I have on hand for tonight is "Wardley Complete : Remedy". It claims to be good for external parasites, fungi, and bacteria. : The only listed ingredient is sodium chlorite. I says on the bottle that : this is not a salt solution, but an oxidant. Would this work for gill : flukes? Has anyone had any experience with it? : : Also, as far as salt solution goes, I've seen on deja news that it can be : helpful in taking care of parasite problems. My questions on this is how : much you should use with a soft water cichlid, and wouldn't any amount cause : the hardness and thus the PH to increase? I would think that this would put : more stress on the fish. Would non-iodized table salt work? It was : recommended for use in my pond, so I have plenty of it on hand. : : Sorry so long, : : Just another worried fishkeeper, : Sherry : ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!