Most of the collectors are back from this year's trips - some are down there now. You might want to contact Jeff Cardwell (Indianapolis, IN): jcardwel@netusa1.net I haven't tried him at this address for a long time. He organizes annual trips down there. Jim Forshey (Sacramento,CA) jim@seahorses.com used to do it regularly but he has slowed down a bit lately. Dave Schlesser from Dallas Aquarium goes to Peru a lot. Boston and Tennessee Aquarium do it. Stan Sung (Mission Viejo, CA) occasionally goes to the Amazon but lately he is more interested in wild Bettas. Lee Newman and I will probably make it down there next year. If you keep in touch with European aquarists, a few Scandinavian hobbyists seem to be headed down there regularly every September/October but those guys have a lot more vacation time than some of us North Americans. Erik Wolla (Norway) is off to Guyana this week. Frank Warzel (Germany) is just back from Tapajos. So, my point is a lot of people are going down there - if I hear anything, I'll keep you posted. Vinny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!