Bob I'm not sure where they came from. I got them awhile ago and had them in the freezer. My killie club buys our frozen food from some wholesaler. If my memory serves me right, i've had these in the freezer for some time. They look ok when I feed them to my fish. They might even be around a year old, I found them again after moving and having to defrost the frig and freezer before vacating the old premises. You remember bachelorhood? Only have frozen fish foods in the freezer nowadays beside the ice cubes. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!