Okay, Mike. The fish at http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand/8491/juruensis.html is a plain-looking cacatuoides-looking thing with a noticeable black chin. Is this the A. juruensis, or A. sp. juruensis? Is there a picture of the other one online? Bob Dixon Cichlid Trader List Administrator http://cichlidtrader.listbot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!