Re: A. sp. aff. juruensis

[Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>]

Mike,

Like everything in this fascinating genus, more data means better IDs. In the
early 90s all we knew about A. juruensis was based on the original description
and their preserved types. At the time A. juruensis was the only cacatuoides-like
species known to have a caudal spot. When David said he had this species, I asked
him to describe it. Once he said it had a caudal spot, I agreed with his ID.
Römer saw the fish and concurred. Now fast forward about 8 years. We collect A.
juruensis from the type locality. It doesn't look quite the same as the balck
chinned form that we had been calling A. juruensis. We find that the black
chinned form comes from Peru, around Pucallpa, not the Rio Juruá of western
Brazil. Obviously they appear to be 2 different species. Now another
cacatuoides-like species with a caudal spot, but doesn't look quite like the
other 2, is found much farther north, in the Rio Nanay. It's probaby another
species, probably the one Gary was asking about.

The only photos of  the true A. juruensis is by Staeck in: Staeck, W. (1999):
Noch einmal: Apistogramma juruensis Kullander, 1986. DCG-Informn. 30(1): 1-6. I
don't have the reference yet.

Mike Wise


Mike Jacobs wrote:

> Mike........OK, let me see.  For years I was told that A. juruensis had a
> "Fu Man Chu" on his chin.  Now that's out the window........whew!!!  Then
> the article by Romer and Soares in the Cichlid News a couple of years ago
> was not the real A. juruensis.........?  Folks I am NOT trying to holler at
> anyone the least of which would be Soares or Romer but it seems crazy that
> they wouldn't know what they were talking about!  I'm really talking to
> myself here!  Ok...so is the A. sp. aff "juruensis" of my pictures really an
> A. cacatuoides color form???.....with a "Fu Man Chu"......heh, heh, heh!!!
>
> A.sp. Schwarzkinn (Black-chin) ...........I think my head
> hurts...................then will the real  A. juruensis stand up???  Where
> can we see a picture of it???......is Bork&Mayland pg.80 OK??????...it looks
> to have a black chin!!!
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Jacobs
> Center for Advanced Technologies
> Lakewood H.S.
> St Pete, Fl  33705
> mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
> To: <apisto@admin.listbox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: A. sp. aff. juruensis
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Nice photos. The photo you list as A. juruensis (from D. Soares) is
> probably A.
> > sp. Schwarzkinn (Black-chin) since Soares is the person who originally
> > distributed this species in the hobby. Römer took specimens back to
> Germany for
> > distribution there. Did this fish have a black chin?
> >
> > Mike Wise
> >
> > Mike Jacobs wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > > The pictures of A. sp. aff. juruensis are up........
> > >
> > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/4327
> > >
> > > There are two pics of A. sp. aff. juruensis and one pretty bad pic of A
> > > juruensis I had several years ago.  First page down at the bottom is the
> > > link!!
> > >
> > > Have a super day!!!
> > >
> > > Our Luck held once more.............NO HURRICANE!!!!!
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Mike Jacobs
> > > Center for Advanced Technologies
> > > Lakewood H.S.
> > > St Pete, Fl  33705
> > > mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com
> > >
> >
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