Thanks to all the list members that had previously responded (a few months back) to my questions about getting nijsenni's to spawn. I have tried following some suggestions like keeping the pH down with peat (currently around 4.5) the hardness of the water is very low to start with coming out of the tap (GH and KH both less the 1 degree german hardness). I have tried covering up the front of the tank so that they can't see me and aren't disturbed. The pair is very healthy, and they show lots of color. I alternate feeding them a mixture of bloodworms and BBS twice a day. The tank (10 gallon) contains a tan brown sand as substrate. Plants include java moss and water sprite and various algae growing on the walls of the tank. There are two softballs sized chunks of lava rock as well as a small upturned clay pot that can be used as a cave in the tank. The female used to spend lots of time in and around the pot, but she doesn't do that anymore. The temperature is kept at 82 F. I change 25% of the water once a week with aged water that has a peat moss bag in the storage tank. Nitrates etc. are not measurable with my test kits. The fish don't seem to fight and sometimes tail wag at each other, but they still won't spawn- are there any other tricks that any of you folks use to get problem fish to spawn. I have thought of removing the male for a time so that the pair can subsequently re-aquaint - has anyone tried this. Or perhaps reducing their rations for a while and then fattening them up again to simulate a famine and then feast type of situation so as to make them think that it is time to reproduce while conditions are good. Any thoughts, speculations or ramblings would be greatly appreciated- my other apistos seem to be able to spawn almost on command- I just wish that the nijsenni would. Cheers, Cory Williamson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!