Hello Mike After about 8 months of growing out some wild caught Apisto Bitaeniata they did spawn for me. I have a rather unusual group of 1 male and 7 females. Well after they spawned the one female was doing all the work, guarding the eggs and fanning them for 2 days when I thought they should hatch. I did get wigglers and she moved them from where she had spawned and then they disappeared. They haven't spawned since but one of the females is turning bright yellow, so I'm hopeful that there will be another spawn soon. As for my water conditions when they spawned. pH of 6.8, 60ppm hardness and a temperature of 76F. Since moving into the new apartment I put all my apistos tanks into the second bedroom. Hell the reason for getting a 2 bedroom was to make the second bedroom a fish room. Anyways, I don't turn the light on in there alot, one of the shop light over one of the racks in on for about 7 hours a day and this is all the light the room gets except for natural light that comes in through a side window. So basically the room is fairly dark, which I thought might be to the liking of the apistos and killies that are in there. Nothing else was special, I guess they were just ready to spawn when they did. I'm assuming the fish are around 1 year old now. They were unsexable when I got them, but then again Bitaeniata are a little more harder to sex when little then some other species. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!