Max, Thanks for the translation- can I send you some of my German poison dart frog books? When Uwe says a "large tank"- how many liters and what dimensions? grube - Steve Waldron >Hi all, >I'm a long time reader "lurker" of the list.I'm a Apisto , SA dwarf cichlid >nut for a few years.I was born and raised in Germany and moved to the US 11 >years ago. >I stumbled across a very interesting statement in Uwe Römer's Book >"Cichliden Atlas" that I translated for y'all to kick around(Page 306 >-308)Aquarium Biology A.bitaenniata,beginning of 4th sentence: >An optimum keeping would be in groups of ca.10-20 individuals of this >species w.small characins or small top oriented Bachlingen (Pencilfish?) in >relatively soft humic acidic water.Corydoras,ancistrine and loriiciid >catfish or small pike cichlids (dwarf crenicichla)would be adequate aquarium >companions.In contrary to the often in the aquarium world mentioned >fear,healthy dwarf cichlid are very able to raise their brood around catfish >and small crenicichla,if they have enough hiding places.In such aquarium >keeping which I practise for many years,the breeding success is not as high >as single pair keeping, but it is high enough to keep the line going,and the >fish develope their complete natural behavior repertoire.Unfortunately many >aquaristik publications suffer under the little knowledge their authors have >about the behavior potential of the above mentioned species. >A.bitaeniata is e.g.in isolated pair keeping (like other Apistogramma >species)often very aggressiv what could lead to death.The fish stay polygam >in bigger tanks,if you keep groups in an enemy free situation.The males will >defend large territories in which they will breed with as many females as >possible.If enemy fish appear like fry robbing dwarf crenicichla the fish >will build a binding pair that will defend their fry together against the >enemys.The roles between the sexes are strictly divided:The male defends the >larger breeding area of ca.20cm radius or the fry and the fem.mainly takes >care of the eggs,larvey or fry.If an overwhelming predator appears both >partners will collect as many fry as they can in their mouth and move them >out of the dangerzone.Therefore only the fry that the parents are able to >collect will survive in the wild.There are of course a few graduations >between these extremes.In any case has the behavior under such husbandry >more diversity and is closer to the wild behavior than single pair keeping. >Plus another aspekt of the husbandry with enemy fish is the avoidance of >mass reproduction.Only pairs that have the biological behavorial adaption >potential will have reproduction success.End of translation, M.W. slab me >if I made to many mistakes. >Very happy to have two weeks old A.nijsseni fry . >Max Galladè > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, >email apisto-request@listbox.com. >Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! Steven J. Waldron http://WWW.ANURA.ORG "Natural History, Captive Husbandry, Conservation and Biophilia of Tropical Frogs" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!