Thanks for your thoughts Mike- I look forward to reading your work. Where do you think the apistos of the Guyana shield fit in? >Steven, > >Kullander recently wrote a paper on South American cichlid phylogeny. He >believes >that the genus Apistogramma and Gymnogeophagus are most closely related because >they show more plesiomorphs (ancestral characteristics) in common with >each other >than any other presently known genera. My feeling is that Apistogramma >originated >in the Mato Grosso region or along the northern slopes of the southern >Brazilian >Highlands, in southeastern Brazil. When they split from their ancestral forms >(something that probably looked like Geophagus brasiliensis) is anyone's >guess. I >imagine it occurred relatively recently (geologically), sometime in the late >Pliocene or early Pleistocene Epoch (3-2 million years ago). I have sent a >paper >to the ACA for publication titled "A Suggested Phylogeny for Apistogramma >Species-Groups". It should be published sometime early next year. I'm not >entirely happy with it. There are just too many holes in our data that can't be >filled in. And since I wrote it, new discoveries have shown that some changes >need to be made to it already. > >Mike Wise > >swaldron@slip.net wrote: > >> Mike and all, >> Where do we think the diverse Apisto fauna got its start? How old do we >> think the lineage is? What are the most ancestral forms? Is there a good >> phylogeny worked out? >> >> Steven J. Waldron >> >> http://WWW.ANURA.ORG >> "Natural History, Captive Husbandry, Conservation and >> Biophilia of Tropical Frogs" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. >> For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, >> email apisto-request@listbox.com. >> Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, >email apisto-request@listbox.com. >Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! Steven J. Waldron http://WWW.ANURA.ORG "Natural History, Captive Husbandry, Conservation and Biophilia of Tropical Frogs" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!