As a possible alternative to oak leaves: Several years ago when living in the San Francisco area, Brian Wolinski suggested magnolia leaves. They were working great for him, so I tried them and was very pleased with the result. I'd suggest using the dried-up, old brown leaves that accumulate under the trees. They are sturdier than oak leaves and, I believe, last longer under water. They also have sort of a tropical look. They tend to curl a little bit and make lots of hidey holes and caves for the apistos. I must be getting old; I can't recall whether they sank immediately, or whether we boiled them first, but getting them to sink to the bottom did not present a problem. Scott >From: David Sanchez <barbax2@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com >To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com >Subject: Re: leaf litter wonders >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) > >Thanks a ton David I have two big oak trees next to my >house that are going to become my best source for >caves LOL I am thinking of using the leaves in a bare >bottom tank do you think this would work well? Thanks >for your advice. > > > >===== >David Sanchez >Orlando, FL >http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax >barbax@mindspring.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. >For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, >email apisto-request@listbox.com. >Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List >Archives"! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!